Scam or not: 1on40.com
Those of us who have been around the internet marketing block a time or ten remember more too good to be true scams than we care to count.
Anybody who is looking into one of the latest and greatest we’ll make you rich before you have to pay us a cent offerings called 1on40.com needs to do a little research on two previous similar offerings called Monopolizer.com and MoreThanTraffic.com and use just a little common sense.
Both of those turned out to be scams, as expected.
In a nutshell, 1on40.com guarantees everyone will get to the top of “Google, Yahoo, and 38 other top search engines” within 120 days for 5 keywords. And get this, they get you there for free and then you simply have to be the top bidder for your chosen keywords to stay there. Sounds absolutely wonderful, doesn’t it?
Anyone that has even the slightest knowledge about SEO and how search engines work will immediately be skeptical, to say the least. Rightfully so.
Some of the glaring Red Flags:
- The usual extreme hype geared to people looking to get something for nothing
- Guaranteeing something that simply can not be achieved, or at least can not be achieved via ethical means
- Plenty of awe inspiring testimonials, every one of them anonymous
- A site promising to get me to the top of Google that currently carries a Google PR of 0 and is nowhere near the top, if they are even listed at all, in the SERPs for its own obvious keywords
- Just like the Monopolizer and MoreThanTraffic scams, 1on40.com operates out of a drop box in the UK
- Many of the so called “search engines” listed aren’t search engines and a number of them don’t even exist
- etc., etc.
And yes, free businesses can scam you. They rob you of time and sap your energy getting you excited about results and guarantees that are impossible to honor. You are also providing them with at least some personal info at some point.
As always, time will tell the truth. I already think it’s quite obvious how this one will eventually turn out.
For those who decide to take the chance on this, I definitely recommend a throw away email address and don’t use an established domain for your test.
Good luck
Thanks for this insight. I’m actually one of those who signed up at 1on40… If it’s free, and if it turns out to be a scam, well…move on, lesson learnt. I’ll just give it the benefit of the doubt for now and see what happens.
Good luck to you Andre and feel free to let me know how it turns out.
Also, thanks for taking my opinion for what it is, my opinion, based on personal experience and having seen these types of guarantees a number of times before.
I’d love to have someone show me what five keywords they pick and their website so I can monitor progress.
Since none of the “testimonials” on their site can be validated, that would be a great way for 1on40 to prove me wrong.
Even better would be if I could type in SEO or Search Engine Optimization in Google and have 1on40.com come up 1st.
As always, time will tell. I would recommend that people who insist on playing this game use a domain name they aren’t overly fond of, just to be on the safe side.
I am personally interested (because I am also thinking of using your service 1on40)…
what happens when my page is on Number One in Google? WIll you inform me then automatically… and will it always take 120 days or sometimes less? and also affiliate urls? really? do I have to pay afterwards. Now ok it’s free. but when I am on the first place, what happens then, Am I forced to pay you something or can I cancel after 7 days when you automatically drop the site back? or better to say when I not pay, am i Binded to you, do I have to pay in any situation? Just need to know if there is any capture in unknown costs involved? like being - how to say - captured in costs. You have no FAQs that really explain what’s going on? how do I know… how it goes on afterwards? … please be so kind as to explain that to me?
Kind regards
Chris
Yah, I wanted to try it out with an adult site of mine (http://hotnippon.com) . Ended up not following through due to the fact that not everyone can be on 1st page of google. Lets think about this.
Unless google decides to change their first page to a very long one, not everyone’s site will be on first page.
Welcome to the blog Chris and Elle.
Perhaps a fan of 1on40 will stop by and break it down for you.
I apologize, but I started to type a relatively long reply with my understanding of it, but the more I type, the more ridiculous this whole scheme becomes.
The bottom line is that this outfit is essentially telling you that they have total control over the #1 rankings on every search engine for any and all keywords.
Just checked again, 1on40.com is still not #1 for SEO on Google.
Other than the keyword 1on40.com, I have to wonder if they rank #1 for any keywords.
Is it a coincidence that 1on40.com, the old Monopolizer.com and MoreThanTraffic.com are/were all run out of the same general area in London?
I think not.
Reg
Good post Chris, you do know that your next for a bashing from them. first it was me then Reg DCP got some really nasty stuff said to him.
I think we started a war ooops!
Seodude
Thanks for popping in Reg DCP and seodude.
Perhaps it’s a coincidence that all three outfits are from that general area. Perhaps not.
The garbage that 1on40 is spewing on scam.com is such typical posturing by scam outfits like this.
The “war” will be short lived as we’re only a month or two away from the first crop of people who were misled hitting their 120 days.
I’ve seen a few people mention sites that they’ve signed up, but I haven’t seen anybody let us know the 5 keywords they picked to rank #1 for.
I’d love to track some of these just for the fun of it.
@ all 1on40.com clients.
We are looking for volunteers to tell us their site and their targeted keywords so we can have a public tracking of your progress.
Any takers?
Here is what I submitted:
Keywords:
cell phones
free cell phones
AT&T cell phones
Verizon cell phones
T_mobile cell phone
url:
http://www.freecellphonemart.com
I told them I wanted traffic from the USA - all states
If this works I should be a multi-millionaire in 6 months
Thanks a ton for playing along Dan.
When did you submit your site?
LOL, you should make enough in the 7 days that you’re on top to live comfortably the rest of you life on those keywords.
I do have some bad news though Dan. If you’re like most, your hosting plan isn’t going to be able to handle the millions of hits you’re going to receive from being #1 on those keywords.
Are you on a dedicated server?
BTW, how long have you been with the TMI wireless affiliate program? I’ve been with Cognigen/Commission River for about 7 years now.
Best of luck to you.
Damn!!!! I just signed up with them. Although I am not savvy in this area, the entire time I was signing up, my logical thought process pondered the “HOW” this can happen. I submitted anyway.
I have worked very hard on my site and do not want anything to happen to it. In the above messages nobody says what can happen, but it is said to use a site you really dont care about. I do care about mine and it is New. Please tell me what I should do? I am some what freaking out.
I also could not believe that I was able to get the Key Words that I picked. I just assumed that since they are fairly new that I just lucked up and was the first in my field to sign up.
What does someone like me do, if we do Value our site and the Friggen LONG and HARD work that went into learning everything and then applying it in order to just create it.
Please tell me what happens to the site if chit goes wrong?
For that matter, just tell me everything you think I or anyone else reading this should know. Please…
Thank you very much, your opinion is valuable to me at this point.
Thanks for sharing your concerns L.W.
I didn’t intend to terrify anyone.
IMO, there are two primary concerns.
1. Spam - if 1on40 is submitting your site to all of the so called “search engines” that they have listed using your contact info, you will most likely end up with hundreds if not thousands of emails per day to the contact email address provided. So far, I have not seen anyone complain about this. If they are submitting to these places, they may be using a throw away contact email address for verification of the listings like many of us did in the old FFA advertising days.
2. Delisting by the search engines - if 1on40 is actually trying to get your site ranked higher by using black hat techniques, eventually your site will simply no longer exist as far as the major search engines are concerned.
You may want to look into getting a new domain name as a backup just in case. If needed, you could simply move all of your content to a new home and close down the other one.
While we don’t know what 1on40 is really up to, I honestly doubt that they are really going to be spending the time and effort necessary to get people dumped from the SEs through black hat techniques, but I still recommend using a domain name that’s not established just in case.
IMO, it’s more likely that they are simply gathering domain names and contact info to sell to spammers and/or use for their own future schemes.
Do you care to share the domain and keywords you’ve chosen for this test?
Good luck.
You are all overlooking the obvious.
‘top position’ - organic or paid?
get you there for free…upload the ads?
pay the auction price…..
I think you get the theme.
All you agree is they put you in ‘top position’ not how or where top position is. Then they bill you the full wack. Have you seen the bid prices on some keyphrases recently. It’s gonna hurt.
Hi johnny.
That wouldn’t really make much economical sense for 1on40.
They would have to be paying for those keywords up front to get a site on top of PPC engines.
On their site, they claim “Bidding costs approximately ONLY 10% of YOUR net profit from your web site business”, so if I’m shooting for 150% ROI on PPC bidding, I spend $100 to make $150. Using 1on40’s numbers, I would only have to pay 10% of that net profit of $50, or $5. Or it would $15 of the $150.
Even that 10% is a made up ridiculous number just like the 15% fee that the MoreThanTraffic scam from a couple years ago said they would charge when they promised to make people at lest $100K in 4 months.
Where do they get that 10% number from?
Are 1on4 customers on the honor sytem?
How do they know how much net profit you make?
I sell products and services that vary in their payouts. Some are residual based where I receive commissions every month. Others are one time bounties. How is 1on40 supposed to track that?
The more you dig, the more ridiculous it obviously is.
Thanks for clearing my doubts about the site, I was suspicious that they were a scam
Welcome to the blog Zerosleep.
I suppose we can’t officially call it a scam yet. Not until people start hitting their 120 days without results.
Another couple months.
LW
You aren’t stuck! You can remove yourself. Just log in and there is a tab that says ‘remove me’. I did it without any hassle. I have listed my sites and I also have been questioning in my head how can they do it, but I guess until someone actually comes up with something really concrete, I am going to keep an open mind. I will be gutted if they are a sham and my sites suffer for it
I came across 1on40 in January and decided to get involved as on the surface it appeared fantastic. BUT… and there is a big but, since then I’ve been reading forums and blogs like this one which prompted me to look into more closely. I don’t know if 1on40 is a scam or not and whilst I certainly hope not I was dismayed to see how they put themselves across at another forum (scam) - choice language, threats etc - that’s just not how I imagine a professional IT firm to behave and I’ve worked for enough of them to know.
One thing I would like to point out, over and above their portrayal of themselves, is the somewhat ludicrous claims of how much an affiliate can make. I haven’t seen this calculation posted by anyone else so thought readers might find it interesting!
Ok, we all know how MLM works, you refer 3, they refer 3 and so on. 1on40 claims that they will pay £20/$40 for each client or affiliate in your downline up to 10 levels. It sounds amazing so let’s see how that adds up….
If I refer 3 affiliates who then refer another 3 all the way up to 10 levels, I have a grand total of 88,572 affiliates (and that’s ignoring clients picked up along the way). 88572 x £20 = £1,771,440.
IMO, 3 is a fairly conservative number. I have myself referred 20 affiliates and over 70 clients and I haven’t paid for any of my advertising to date.
More worrying things:
- Affiliates are only shown their personal referrals in their stats. 1on40 say that downline stats will be added in due course. When?
- Beta testing supposed to end 20th March. Now 1on40 say this will be extended but no new date given.
- 10th April is supposedly when we can all cash out if we want to. Will this still happen if beta testing is extended?
So needless to say, I hope all the sceptics are wrong but somehow I just can’t see 1on40 paying us all millions!
Now should I order the Ferrari in red or blue?
Has anyone tried viewing 1on40 through a proxy site. I did this and I can’t login. Can anyone explain this? I am a newbie to all this internet stuff so I can’t work out why. Loved to hear your thoughts.
Yummy mummy I’d go for the RED Ferrari everytime!
I spent 2 days in late Feb submitting 108 websites to 1on40. Four of them are very special and the rest are purely adsense revenue generating sites with rss feeds etc. All sites are search engine optimized so I had been concentrating on attracting free traffic through backlinks, blogging, free ads etc.
I have 130 clients & 7 affiliates under me in 1on40 and everything was looking good. I had always wondered how paid seo services could get you to the top of Google and the other search engines. I just assumed that like any business they would have teams of people duplicating, in this case, your own free traffic methods more efficiently and quickly, leveraging your time which you were expected to pay for.
1on40 are big on promises but small on facts. I decided to listen to the warning bells and here I am on your blog listening to similar stuff I have been unearthing about this mob. Initially I also used seo keywords to check their rankings without any success. They just don’t exist. You’d think they would practice what they preached.
I feel a bit of a fool because I’ve been scammed before but I guess that deep in your heart you’re always hoping for that big break. I don’t usually jump into things like this any more but the free trial period sort of swung me.
Anyway Chris, I’m prepared to email you my website urls and their corresponding keywords if you need them for your test.
I listd my site with 1on40 as i wanted to generate more trafic, but having seen how they talked to Seodude and Reg on another blog,just as Yummy Mummy said they just don’t act as a proffessional company,they use bullying tack-tics and shout alot,but show little proof of what they can do.I am 99% sure this is a scam of some kind,but as you don’t have to pay anything up front its hard to see what they will gain out of it except my email address,and yes they can sell that to a third party…but so what!!
@ Misty
Have you tried different proxy sites?
And I would take the blue Ferrari.
@ Shane
I sent you an email. If you want to send me that info, please do. Provide the start dates for the urls and also let me know if I can post them publicly in a 1on40 progress spreadsheet.
I think most of us have made a bad choice or twenty in life every now and then. Their absurd claims and “free’ trial did exactly what they were intended to do.
Legitimate paid SEO services will never guarantee you top rankings. They’ll do the best they can with content and linking strategies. Other than using PPC, nobody can guarantee top spots.
@ Andy
By registering you provide them with a good deal more than just your email address. They also get your IP address and any personal information available in whois lookups, i.e. physical/mailing address and contact phone #. This whois info is all stuff anyone can find if they stumble across your site, but 1on40 is having it handed to them by hundreds or thousands of affiliates. Saves them a lot of leg work if they have any less than honorable intentions.
Thanks again to everyone for their thoughts and opinions.
What date did everyone register their sites with 1on40?
Just an update from me. I joined with one of my sites on the 29th January. On the th February I did a search for two of my keywords and found my site in 8th position on page one. Today I did the same keyword search and it is now 5th position. This site has been around since the middle of last year and I haven’t done any PPC advertising only submitting it to search engines both manually and through free submission sites, so it has been modestly organic traffic. I can’t say if it is because of 1on40 and I don’t know what was hoped to be achieved by getting everyone on board if it is a scam because as the advertising says if you don’t get where you should be you don’t pay, it’s as simple as that. I do however feel very concerned that I may be doing my sites harm if for whatever reason Google decides to throw a hissy fit with all of us who have joined up with them. I did join as an affiliate but I haven’t been promoting it because my real intention was just to get myself up the ranks
Well that’s my latest info, anyway.
Now on another subject has anyone heard of Qassia. http://vivie.qassia.com/ I have put in my userpage URL because if I don’t, you won’t be able to have a look around. I would like to know everyones opinion on this beta site.
Cheers
Misty
EDIT!! I don’t know what happened to my date it was the 5th February
Even if it works it must be scam method:
Scam method like generating thousands of hits one your website, and after 120 days the total traffic on your site will accumulate to huge amount of -imaginary- traffic. Google will rank you high thinking that your site is popular or important because of the big traffic, while your traffic is jut scam hits.
Now if you don’t pay after 120 days they will simply stop scamming thousands of hits on your site and it will drop back in search engine.. simple as that.
The total result is that you gain nothing and even if you get huge traffic using this method it will not be from real customers, which means that you will not be rich and you will not ride a Ferrari. Automated hits doesn’t equal customers because automated hits doesn’t pay money but they are just annoying illegal scam.
Does anyone remember morethantraffic ? If you do you will see that this site is very similar. There is no direct contact and they are slowly asking you to do more before you actually see results. The site is well designed and looks really professional but be careful. Don’t start wasting your time marketing this site unless you have real proof that you are getting something in return. It’s also no point in asking for testimonials for those who made it to no 1 as these will be false as well. These guys are clever and never get caught or stopped.
If you do market their site, do it with free marketing such as articles or classifieds until they prove themselves. I have over 380 referral links so far so we will see what happens with that. Also, if it is a scam, at least it was free to sign up so money lost. It is not like you had to give any personal information. Heck, you can go to http://WhoIs.Sc/typedomainhere.com and see who owns a site, where they are ranked, where they live….
I do know that some new sites offer free sign ups for testing and once they have all the kinks worked out, they start charging new customers so it is good to get in early.
This is true for companies like Big Ticket to Wealth too. I almost signed up for that and it was a introuductory rate since it was new and they knew there would be problems. I procrastinated and when i went to sign up, it went up $1,000…togh for me i guess.
Time will tell with this one bet lets face it, you can look up any online business or affiliate site and somebody thinks it is a scam. This is because they are bone heads and lost money so they think it is a scam.
Good luck to all.
Ryan
Thanks for the update Misty.
Yeah, it’s hard to tell for certain why you see some results. If you have been posting around the net with some links to your site over these few months, it’s probably just starting to pay off a little bit.
As for qassia, it’s hard to really see what they are all about. If they grow much, I would expect to see that Adsense revenue split change to something closer to things like HubPages since it just won’t be worth it for them otherwise.
A bunch of backlinks from one site isn’t that much of a benefit in SEO. If it were that simple, you could just go to high PR forums that allow sigs and post a lot.
@ deepblue
1on40 is not talking about generating worthless hits to your site. They are promising to get you to #1 on Google and Yahoo for free.
Google doesn’t care about the traffic to your site. Unless they sent it, they have no idea how much traffic a site gets. Just look at 1on40’s Alexa rank. Pretty high for traffic, but they have 0 PR and are nowhere to be found on viable keywords.
@ Cooky
I definitely remember the MoreThanTraffic scam and agree that 1on40 looks and acts very much like them and the Monoplizer scam.
@ Ryan
Yes, we can all look up whois info. As I mentioned earlier, 1on40 affiliates are simply saving them a lot of legwork by just handing them all the info on a silver platter.
If you didn’t sign up for Big Ticket to Wealth simply because the price went up, apparently you didn’t really believe it was worth it to begin with. They look like so many other overhyped and overpriced pyramid schemes pushing ebooks and software products at desperate home business hopefuls.
This looks too much like More Than Traffic and Monopoliser. The general tone and location are the same. Probably the same arrogance as those other scam monsters. I would stay away. I never got anything but taken by MTT…
I ask to myself: how can ex: 300 sites sign up for the same keywords and reach all 300 the first position at the same time?
And why 1on40 have pr0 if they have such powerful arms?
…mmm sound scams
I noticed recently 1on40 started to milk the cash cow by offering ads position on that back ofice. The site claimed has millions of users but the alexa unique count is under 100,000. Anyway I have already submitted my http://www.herbalbiz.eu site, hope they can deliver what they claimed and promised.
Lets put it this way….When they go live at the end of March, we will find out what all the hype is about.
Until then we can not say anything I guess. I was told signing up for ClickBank was a joke and a scam to get me to advertise for other people but i have made a lot of money with that company so far this year. I advertised 6 products though before i found one that worked. The seventh was the money maker…too many people try for a day, dont make $100,000 and then get pissed and quit.
I can p[romise you one thing. There is not system out there where you will make $100,000+ a year working 20 minutes a day. I spend about 3 hours a day for about 4 months researching on Google Adwords, back links, destination URL”s and landing pages.
I guess my point is you will never get something for nothing. In the case of 1on40, they may bet you ranked higher but at what cost? I like the comment above…if i have a credit card website, which i do, and bid on credit cards, low interest rate credit cards and so on, you mean to tell me that I will be ranked above creditCards.com? this company sells over 3,000 credit cards a day and have their own tech staff just working on SEO to keep them number on on the rankings.
I did sign up with a website i dont care if i lose it so we will see. If what 1on40 is saying is true, I should start building my 20,000 sq. ft. home now!
And for Chris on my last comment, i did not sign up the first time because winter months are really slow for me so i did not have the cash. I talked with Brain McCoy though and he sent me his stats for the first month they launched…$42,000. Of course, that does not include what he spent in advertsing…he could have spent $45,000 in advertisng for a loss of 3 grand. This works for him though becuase people sign up thinking they will make that money so in a few monthy, he will make money with no advertising since all his “pee-ons” are doing it for him.
Damit, I wish people would just be honest but we all know that will NEVER Happen!
Good luck to all
Ryan
i never heard of the More Than Traffic and Monopilizer scams…what was that all about???
Laoge….how is Herbal Biz working out for you. I was with Joe Bucks for a while advertising their weight loss and made some money but advertsing just got to expensive. i would be interested to hear how you are doing with that?
Ryan, here are Monopolizer and MoreThanTraffic in a nutshell.
http://web.archive.org/web/20040828075836/www.monopolizer.com/services.html
Monopolizer offered guaranteed affiliate and customer signups at ridiculously low, too good to be true prices starting at 75 GBP for a guaranteed 1000 affiliates and 1600 customers.
And it didn’t matter whether there was a charge to join your program or not. For that small amount of money, they would have guaranteed you 1000 signups for Big Ticket To Wealth or any other high ticket program you wanted. And 1600 regular customers to go with it. Do the math and see if that doesn’t beat PPC results, LOL.
http://web.archive.org/web/20060517215855/http://www.morethantraffic.com/
MoreThanTraffic’s offer was closer to 1on40’s gimmick in that they were a “pay on results” program that promised to earn you $100K in, you guessed it, 120 days. Once they generated $100K for you in 4 months, you were to be billed $15K for their services. A sweet deal, don’t you think?
You state that we can’t say anything about 1on40 until they go live. Not so. When the lies are so blatantly obvious, it’s easy to pick them apart.
Congrats on your ClickBank success.
Unlike picking apart obvious frauds like Monopolizer, MoreThanTraffic, 1on40, and so many other programs, blindly labeling products offered by companies like ClickBank as scams is more about our own opinions and ethics.
Just like my opinion of companies like Big Ticket To Wealth and marketers like Brian McCoy.
I consider companies like these to be pyramid schemes operating on the very edge of the law with products nobody is really interested in. They are all about selling the opportunity, period.
I worked with a 6 figure earner and even used his marketing tactics for a while. And I was making decent money. However, just like most of these other marketing “gurus”, he would jump from one hot opportunity to the next, raking in a nice income by promoting with hype and promises of big, easy money. Once the well started to run dry, he would move on to the next opp and start all over again.
It appears that McCoy has been a marketer for past high ticket opps like EDC Gold, RoadMapToRiches, Wealthy Marketer, etc. Now that he’s on to Big Ticket To Wealth, where do you think that leaves all of his recruits in those other opps? How much help will they be getting if they can’t afford to shell out more money to follow him from opp to opp?
Perhaps he’s different. I don’t know. My experience and his history tell me probably not.
But that’s just life and one man’s opinion.
Off my soapbox now.
Hi Chris,
I remembered MoreThanTraffic very well because I was another victim, big time. When they chose not to reveal their true identities, business cedentials and etc.. Aha! they obviously has got something to hide. 1on40 smells so much like MoreThanTraffic. It is SCAM.
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Hi Ryan,
I have been with herbalbiz quite few years, there are up and downs, some month is good and other month is not so good. Generally speaking I like they have a full range of herbal health and beauty products, also you can have your own whitelabel such as http://www.healthbuy.co.uk is my own white label site for their latest herbal health and beauty products marketing site. So far I don’t make a killing with the program as the obvious reason you pointed out, the competition and high cost of advertising.
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The Beta period was supposed to end tomorrow (20th March) although on 28th Feb 1on40 released a statement saying this would be extended. As of today, a new date has yet to be announced. Interestingly, 1on40 has just started selling ad space within their back office space for affiliates and clients. £89 a go to advertise for as long as you want. Perhaps that was always what it was about?
A further point is that 1on40 said they ‘might’ let affiliates who reach 20 referrals (affiliates) an early exchange. I reached this some time ago (have since stopped promoting it) and requested an early exchange and they havent even got back to me
I wait for tomorrow with interest to see if Beta is extended and if they even acknowledge the fact the 20th March has actually arrived. I await with even more interest the 10th April which is when they are supposedly going to pay out.
On a totally seperate point, the nicest Ferrari I ever saw and got to sit in was a navy blue one with red leather seats. I could only afford the MG parked next to it but I promised myself one day I would get a Ferrari like that. Whether 1on40 will be the way I will pay for it remains to be seen….
@ Paul Toimata
Thanks for your thoughts.
Yep, it’s absolutely no surprise that they are trying to con some people out of money for back office “advertising”. That’s the same trick the YMMSS ponzi used to try and generate cash to keep their doubler running.
And I’m sure it’s pure coincidence that this little gimmick comes just before they are due to start paying people for referrals.
If enough people fall for this, they just might scrape up enough cash to pay some people for referrals so we will then be able to hear the common theme of they paid me so it can’t be a scam.
Any single sucker they get on the ads will cover better than 4 referrals if I have the currency conversion right.
Hopefully, most people will make them prove they can complete their first overhyped guarantee before actually spending money on their second hype job.
@ Lokesh
Ditto what Yummy Mummy said. There is no proof anywhere on the net that such an offer was ever made.
Until 1on40 and Submit Expresso Group, I’ve never seen a “parent company” of a web based business not exist on the web.
@ Yummy Mummy
If enough people fall for the advertising scheme, you just might get some money. If not, good luck with that.
Hey Chris !
I’m really confused about there service !
The fact that the PR of their own website is ZERO makes me feel its a scam but that I’ve seen many people havin’ results with it .
The website I submitted has a HUGE competition (based on Adsense Tips) and the fact that it is freely hosted , i can do even if it is listed in top 10 pages !
Hope they redeem my affiliate credits (currently 14, enuf for a 15 yr. old !)…
Yeah, their’s no company like submit expre…. but ask.com can take legal methods if the news is jst for hype.
I must say !
this site (chrisbailey.info) is becoming popular due to this single post !
Nice Work Chris .
Best of Luck
They did it !
The BETA will end on 28th march !
Actually that last post is slightly incorrect although I can see where cool got it from. Save me going on, thought I would just post the news release from 1on40 back office. Make of it what you will…..
19th March 2008 - Part 1
THE NEW BETA TEST END DATE
The new BETA test end date is going to be 28th May 2008. You can refer clients until this date and they can use our service for FREE. After this date anyone you refer and signs up later than 28th May 2008 will have to pay (bid) on their keywords in advance. Anyone you sign up before this date will get the original deal until they get to NUMBER ONE.
This is great news for you.
This allows us to make certain improvements to our service to make it even better before we release our launch version. Our launch version is set to shock you - it is fantastic!
We have many improvements made and a lot of extra free services all wrapped up in one free to try service. Your clients will be thanking you to the point you will be able to sell them anything else with ease. So make sure you introduce as many clients to the submission service now and reap rewards from the credits and the knowledge that you will be able to use our service as a sales tool for the future.
Our improved service will be launched at 12 midday GMT on the 28th May 2008.
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19th March 2008 - part 2
DOUBLE CREDITS & AFFILIATE CASH
We are doubling your credits for anyone you refer as a client and also for every affiliate you refer into 1on40.
Now you get 2 credits for each referral you make… And 2 for every client.
Credits are being released to all affiliates on April 28th. You will be alerted to how to claim your credits here in the news section on 28th April 2008. Please log in regularly each week for updates to this release date and how to collect and usage.
This double credits offer ends on the 28th April 2008.
Each point is also treated as a dividend when 1on40 intends to float on the London Stock Exchange later this year. Dividends are big money, for further information read our previous news stories on exact value of the dividends we will pay out when we launch on the market.
That’s where the money is! Credits and dividends.
We will give you double credits for everyone that you refer and we will pay you the usual OVERRIDE and PERCENTAGE of any bid that is made by your clients, see above news releases for more information.
NEW! We now pay you a once off commission for any client you introduced or any affiliate you refer to our 1on40 service that buys an advert from us. Look at the top and bottom of this page and see the left hand side advert, click it and see the information about advertising with us and earning unlimited traffic from our back offices.
Our adverts send you high converting affiliate and business opportunity and MLM’er sign ups, after all our back offices are overflowing with them. Make the most of the traffic now and generate cash from it.
Buy an advert for yourself or send your referrals to buy one and we will pay you £30.00GBP each one or $60.00USD that they buy or you order. Get referring! Make money for a change and get your affiliate site to the top of the search engines at the same time.
More revenue increasing services coming soon…
this site has a remove option installed for all those who have second thoughts about entering there details,it will probably take them a while to get any sites onto search engines in the first place, so i suppose if your quick enough and want to change your mind then just click the remove details option
Anyhow better to do it the old fashion way just get back links for your site,your site will get a ranking eventually heres one directory to help you on your way free to add a link http://www.christmasshop2007.eu
thought id throw that one in while i had the chance
if anyone does get ranking from the 1on40.com without to much damage or cost hey let us all know we all do the same ,page rank for everyone
maybe they make top pages bigger to fit us all on there good luck
Hi Chris,
I have just been reading the comments and it s a pity I didn’t come across your site before yesterday as I have signed up. The comments sure give reason to think but when you are desperate you are willing to try anything. Two months ago I started a blog on Google’s Blogger but have yet to see any clients. I thought Blogger was very popular and I would have clients flooding in but I haven’t seen my site on the first page and when you type in keywords my site doesn’t get a mention. The only time my site comes up in a search is when the exact address is used.
Yesterday I received an email about1on40.com and I thought well what have I got to lose, if it works I get clients, if it doesn’t then I will be no better off than my current status. The only worry is if it turns out to be a scam that it doesn’t affect the future of my business.
I am not interested in the affiliate side of it even if the promised money claims do eventuate. I know a lot of people make good money out of referrals and affiliates but it is too much of a headache for me. My aim is to advertise my business as far and wide as possible and once I have clients I will have enough work to handle without worrying about anything else. If you don’t mind could you please look at my website at
http://australianpathwaysmigration.blogspot.com/
and tell me if I am doing anything wrong or how can I increase the exposure and if you think I should cancel my account.
Hi Chris,
While browsing interest groups on Lulu.com ( a site where you are able to publish and print books on demand) I came across mention of the 1on40 site at (http://www.lulu.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=389363#389363). Yesterday I registered at 1on40 using the key words:
“Art Deco, Art Nouveau, Designer, Handmade, Handbags” for my web site (http://www.oztion.com.au/buy/auctions.aspx?type5=upmarket) at Oztion (an Australian eBay type auction site). It took me about one hour to deselect all but forty one of the search engine sites they mentioned. The ones I left selected were those with which I am reasonably familiar- most were at the top of their list.
I just hope I will have enough designer handmade handbags to satisfy the demand when my site hits the top of the lists. Having read many of the comments on your site I will not be holding my breath while waiting for this to happen.
Cheers for now,
Clive
@ Lokesh
What specifically do you mean when you say you’ve “seen many people havin’ results with it”. So far, I haven’t found a single person who has hit number 1 in any search engine that uses 1on40. And if I do, it will be interesting to see what keywords were targeted.
As for Ask.com, I don’t think pursuing a fictional company like Submit Expresso Group is worth their time. I sent them an email asking if there was any way to verify 1on40’s statements, but never received a reply. In reality, there are only a few thousand people on the entire planet who even know that little lie exists.
As for the popularity of my blog, I haven’t been able to give it the time it needs due to a couple other sites I’m working on, but “opportunities” like 1on40 are easy traffic just by putting up some material with the word scam in it.
As I make more time for this blog, I’ll be regularly reviewing many of the companies promoted in the advertising section of my WorkAtHomeNetwork forums.
Thanks for the kudos.
@ Yummy Mummy
Thanks again for your contributions and that back office info.
@ DarkDragon
You’re right about being able to remove yourself from 1on40, but there’s no way to unscramble an egg. If they were to have any devious intentions, once they have your info, they have it for good.
@ greenman
I can’t see that you’re doing anything wrong, but you’re blog is still too new to see much in the way of results.
Although I know that they can definitely work well for people, I’m simply not a big fan of free services like blogger for serious marketers because you have so little control over things.
That said, australianpathwaysmigration.com is available for purchase, LOL.
What keywords are you targeting. If you’re going to promote using a blog, you need to create posts that specifically target your chosen keywords.
With your experience, you should also submit some articles on subjects in your field to get some one way links coming in.
It all takes time, patience, and persistence, and you’re still not guaranteed to succeed. Best wishes for your success.
@ Clive A Lincoln
Here’s to hoping you sell out, but most definitely do not hold your breath. That just wouldn’t be good for you.
Best wishes.
Hi Chris,
Many thanks for your remarks and I do appreciate you having a look at my blog. Unfortunately I can be impatient and want result yesterday so I will just have to learn to be patient. I just had a thought how many people give up after buying the latest money making offer and not seeing instant results. Yes I was one but curbed my appetite and don’t buy the latest and greatest. What gets up my nose is that people should be warned that it is no magic bullet for instant success. Okay there are always disclaimers but I think they are too ambiguous and need to explain that there is a lot more than just setting up a website. Ultimately even if you do get to number one or at least on the first page no one can guarantee that you will get clicks and be flooded with business.
Okay enough on that subject I just had this pop into my email and I think I saw it a few weeks ago but paid no attention, it is about freewebhosting,
http://www.000webhost.com/ I can’t see how they can offer free when they say they won’t place advert on your site. Now if it is free and it is another way to get your business going that fine, but like the old saying goes if it is too good to be true than it most probably isn’t.
Have you seen this before and what is your opinion about such sites?
Did anyone sign up for this 1on40 and see results. I got an email that said they had their first $10,000.00 person.
What is this $89.00 they ask for? Is this to sign up now if you did not make it into the “BETA” Testing?
Still no sign of 1on40 in the search rankings and Alexa…for an SEO company, dont you think they would be at least on first page…Kind of like an accountant not knowing how to use a calculator!
Take Care…
@ greenman
You’re welcome. Unfortunately, hype sells. Always has and always will.
I changed the url in your post to the actual destination url for 000webhost.
I’m not familiar with 000webhost, but I have seen plenty of people use free webhosting without issues. As with all webhosts, you want to make sure you have your files backed up in case something happens. Paid or free, companies do fail.
If you may go that route, it would be a good idea to visit some webmaster forums and look for feedback on specific free hosts.
@ Ryan
1on40’s lame excuse as to why they aren’t listed in the top of the SERP’s for expected keywords was that they let their affiliates get those spots. So far, I don’t see any 1on40 affiliates there either.
Their Alexa rank is pretty good(29,848 right now), but that’s simply from affiliates visiting their site.
As for the $89, that is for buying advertising on their site. If you visit 1on40 now, you’ll see affiliate’s ads across the top and bottom of the screen.
Hi Chris,
Thanks for the forum idea and backups,I never would have thought of doing that. It is a relief to get some answers especially when you are a newbie and haven’t got a clue. Thanks again for your reply.
i keep on getting email from 1 on 40 stating their advertisers made $10,000 already…I guess this could be true since they get a lot of visits to their sites. This is just like Google AdSense I guess…I still dont want to part with my $89.00 until they prove themselves….
Still waiting for my number ranking. I wish they would hurry..My million dollar home is almost done
Thanks for the 411.
I almost signed up for the 1on40 thing.
So, I googled it and you provided me with what I needed to know.
This is a good reminder on the web:
If it sounds too good to be true it probably is.
I guess I need to pay a real SEO optimizer.
If anyone knows one who will work with me in Hawaii I would appreciate the info.
BTW here is my website:
http://hawaiiattorneyonline.com/
I will all let you know when i find out…i did creat a cheasy affiliate website just in case they screw it up. It is a website that sells weight loss products so I would like to see how they will get me #1 with the competition!
If it does not work..which it wont, no time or money lost. Just curious???
there is never a easy way to get ranking in a short time,this is because spiders will probably only check your site once a month or so, it takes time and alot of back links to get ranking,hey if this system works let me know ill try everything once but now i have been ranking my sites for months still no joy like i said there is no miracle out there its either hard work or pay someone to do it for you ,these are the option to many scams out there i would be very wary of sites like this
regards http://www.bikerzone.co.uk
yes definately a scam it is not the first but a good way of getting your site up the ranks with adverts
http://www.christmasshop2007.com
There ContactUs page is a bit tricky too !
They say they wud reply to only those webmasters who have entered there bidding stage but the fact that noone wud have really done so makes ‘em unanswerable !
I also submitted my site 2 months ago and so far the ranking in google for a couple of the keywords I submited has come up in the rankings about ten pages. I look forward to any response from people who have submitted their site for 120 days.
http://thewarriorwithin.com
I submitted more than 20 sites to 1on40 and login in every week to everyone of them and first one is more than 3 months ago and nothing ABSOLUTELY nothing is happening about that so i guess its a scam to get sure traffic to there own site and sell advertising to those stupid enough to buy advertising on there page
I submitted my site 123 days ago and my site is not to be found on Google or Yahoo. 1on40 is a SCAM. Gordon
chris,
i also submitted to 1on40, its been a good 3 months and NOTHING! I would love to take your advice and get a new domain, not sure how to do that? pretty new at all this, can u help me? thanks, lea
Once again, 1on40 seem to have “forgotten” the details of their last news release -
1st May 2008
Credits
Credits are being released for use on the last day of May 2008 at 24.00hrs GMT UK time.
This release date is for all credits made up to the 28th May 2008 for referring and introducing clients.
See the above news releases for options on uses of credits and also regarding the public flotation on the stockmarket and the benefits we intend to pay out.
Will have to delay ordering my ferrari again
I have 100 sites which I submitted in late February/early March so they haven’t delivered on their promise. In the meantime, I have just used blogging & pinging with great effect to get most of them indexed within 1-2 weeks, and some traffic too. I did it in such a way (in groups on different blogs) that I know definitely they were all indexed this way, not by Ion.
I’m now removing my sites from Ion. I have noticed a couple of my sites have been de-indexed which may or may not be from Ion’s involvement. Rather be on the safe side if it’s not too late.
Same old story, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.
Dear Chris,
Further to my comment on 23. March 2008, 20:53
It is now 90 days since I registered at 1on40 using the key words:
“Art Deco, Art Nouveau, Designer, Handmade, Handbags” for my web site (http://www.oztion.com.au/buy/auctions.aspx?type5=upmarket) at Oztion (an Australian eBay type auction site).
I have not made a sale as yet.
Thought you may care to know.
Best wishes,
Clive